Schiszler Silver

"The product is a premium quality Hungarian Palinka. The design started with a single set of comments. They sent a current package plan, which I responded that with my ideas. The client gives me absolute free hand in the design. Our main concern was to combine the Hungarian traditional line of contemporary art."

Designed by 5andor 52alay of öthuszonöt (www.525.hu) 

Comments

[Eni]

Nice, but too similar: http://verydandy.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/backyard-wine-2.jpg

[Sandor Szalay]

yeah...and on the Behance: http://www.behance.net/fivetwentyfive

[Quince]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/extraverage/392935505/in/set-72157601588498564/

[Fabien Barral]

looks like one of my work, already published here by the way, http://www.thedieline.com/blog/2010/1/10/backyard-vineyards.html

[Lo.]

http://www.thedieline.com/blog/2010/1/10/backyard-vineyards.html

no comments...

[LR]

To me it looks a little too similar to Backyard wines:

http://www.thedieline.com/blog/2010/1/10/backyard-vineyards.html

[Sandor Szalay]

I haven't said that is a unique style, but is not a copy too!
Thanks for the reminders!

[Fabien Barral]

Sorry but this is copy...

[jo]

it may be similar, but it is infinitely better than the backyard wines version

[Justin]

I disagree that its better than the original.

[Erzio]

I think that is a plagiarism...

[Will Hunting]

See, the sad thing about a guy like you is in 50 years you're gonna start doin some thinkin on your own and you're gonna come up with the fact that there are two certaintees in life. One, don't do that. And Two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a fuckin education you coulda got for a dollar fifty in late chahges at the public library...

[Javiera]

mmmmmmmmm to similar
http://verydandy.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/backyard-wine-2.jpg

[Daniel]

Copy

[J.A.]

You can not patent a style or an idea that already existed for years as an ornament craft. It is a font style, a style of illustration, ornamental decoration without an owner. In this case for my Sandor Szalay solution is even better than the attempt to Fabien. Fabien Sorry, I love your work ... you're great but you have to know when someone else does something better.

[Chris Dixon]

The line between influence and plagiarism (or copying) is a bit like the line between erotica and pornography – you can’t define it with words, but you know it when you see it.

Sorry dude, I see plagiarism here.

[A.T.]

This project is better than the Backyard I think. Sorry...

[Ple Elp]

idontknow...

[mazon01]

Many experts here:) This design is not so complicated that anyone may say it is plagiarism. In my oppinoion it's a coincidence thing here.
Both work are great. Congrat.

[Fabien Barral]

I do not ask if it is better, I just think than doing this kind of font ornements, in black and white, for a wine label is similar to the idea we develop with brandever for backyard...

[Mike]

Plagiarism?… or Improvement?

An argument could be made that this work derived from 'back yard wines', but if it did, it is certainly an improvement; The letter forms are looser and more organic in the new work.

However neither piece is ground breaking in terms of style or execution, so i would suggest that this is more likely to be pure coincidence rather than theft.

[Anna Fejer]

to be honest i like this package, but "responded that with my ideas" is a bit too much for me and not because i like Barral's work more.

[addie]

This is a complete copy of fabian barral's work. Not cool.

http://www.thedieline.com/blog/2010/1/10/backyard-vineyards.html

[RFV]

Thats so far away from we are used to call "inspiration"... that is absolutely a COPY...really not cool, next time try just to inspire yourself =D

[Yaco Roca]

I think saying it is plagiarism is a bold statement, even if there are many, many signs pointing towards it.

I can see both designers coming up with similar enough approaches. Illustrating type is certainly something not too many people do, but it is not exclusive.

However, I find Barral's style very much original, while the execution here seems much easier to replicate. What I notice is that the reasoning behind Barral's design makes sense:

"The winery is located just outside of metro
Vancouver, BC, Canada, hence the name and the illustration!..."

"...The design started with a single set of comments. They sent a current package plan, which I responded that with my ideas. The client gives me absolute free hand in the design. Our main concern was to combine the Hungarian traditional line of contemporary art...."

It says very little about the concept behind this design. I looked up Hungarian contemporary art and sure enough, a few ornaments show up, but still, the concept behind Barral's work simply seems to fit, while this one seems less cohesive. Also, the rest of the design seems odd, specially the grape logo.

So, I can not state wether there is plagiarism or not, but when compared both make use of ornaments. The ornaments here are nice, but more generic. both use a bird set on a letter, in this case, the center "S", in Barral's piece, the "B".

So I will put it down to concept, attention to detail and originality, as in most innovative and earliest design, in which in my opinion Fabien Barral's work wins out. That is my taste, as several others seem to like 5andor's work more.

My advice, back up everything you do with a solid design process, make that transparent, and then how can anybody say you copied or not?

Which reminds me to take another look at my own project descriptions, and edit, edit, edit.